Sail Plans - Dimensions and more info

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  • April 05, 2011 1:39 PM
    Message # 564930
    Hello all,

    I was looking through the scans I have of the Westsail Owners and Construction manuals and thought it might be useful to create a post with the various original and new sail dimensions and information. I would like information about any sail folks have found to work well!

    Luff, leech, foot, area, material weight/type, notes from diagram or experience, designer.

    If you have drawings or data for sails with question marks, please post the info or email it to me so that I may add it to the list. In addition, I have no diagrams for the W28, W39, W42, or W43. If you have sail information for those boats, please send it to me!

    WESTSAIL 32


    • Need original numbers for Main and stays'l
    • Need numbers for Kern's short-foot main, and full batten/roach main
    • Need numbers for Kern's Super Yankee everyone loves so much
     Sail
     Luff Leech
    Foot
    Area (Ft/2)
     Material Weight/Type
    Notes
    Designer
    Main (original)
     38'3"  15'10"  40'6"
     311  8.5oz Dacron
    • Tack angle 88 degrees
    • Roachless


     Crealock
     Main (Kern's revision)
     38' 4"  39' 2"  14.6"  ?  Dacron
    • 2 reef points (my choice)
    • 2 full battens
    • Cunningham

     Kern
     2007
     Pygmalion

     Staysail  29'  25'6"  11'8"
     149  8.5oz Dacron
     ?


     Crealock
     Genoa Staysail
     23'  23'
     
     15'6"  188  5oz Dacron
     


     Crealock

    Jib
     
     35'2" 
     25'3"
     15'8"  177
     5oz Dacron
       Crealock

    Small Yankee

     40'1"
     28'8"  17'  210  6oz Dacron
       
     Yankee Jib
     43'  31'2"
     18'4"  254  5 or 6 oz Dacron
    • Soft Dacron to be used if available
     Crealock
     
    Yankee Large

     43'  37'
     21'
     400  6oz Dacron
       
     
    Super Yankee (Kern's)

     ?
     ?
     ?
     ?
     ?
     ?
     
     Genoa  43'9"  40'10"
     22'  445  4oz Dacron
     


     Crealock
     Drifter
     43'9"  38'7"
     23'4"  450  1.75 or 2oz Dacron
     


     Crealock
     Reacher-Drifter
     43'6"
     39'9"
     27'6"  535
     2oz Dacron
    • Miter cut
    • Leech and foot lines
     Crealock
    Reacher-Drifter Giant
     43'2"  40'11'
     31'6"  603  2 1/2 - 3oz (material?)
    • Material lighter at discretion of sailmaker
     Crealock
    Asymmetric Spinnaker
     43'6"
     ?  ?  950  .75oz Nylon
    • Foot/Leech unmeasured
    Norlund (W32 Asia Marie)
     Asymmetric Spinnaker
     47'
     29'
     35'

     .75oz Nylon
    • Estimated area
     Wiencke (W32 Neverland)
     Storm Trysail
     17'8"  23'7"
     11'5"  96
     8 or 10oz Dacron
    • Soft weave Dacron to be used if available
    • Corners heavily reinforced
    • Extra stitching in seams
    • Sail to be roped all around
    • Provision to be made for emergency lacing to mast, either by using large cringles for slides or by providing extra cringles for lacings.
     Crealock
     Storm Jib
     20'4"  13'10"
     9'9"  61
     9oz Dacron
    • Seams to be heavily sewn
    • All corners well reinforced and all cringles and eyelets hand sewn
     Crealock
    Storm Jib 2
     14'
     8'
     8'
     28  10oz Dacron
     
    • Seams to be heavily sewn
    • All corners well reinforced and all cringles and eyelets hand sewn
     Crealock
     Spitfire Jib
     11'
     6'7"
     6'7"
     20
     11oz Dacron
    • Soft weave Dacron
    • Heavily reinforced
     Crealock



    Thank you all for your help!

    Cheers,
    Aaron N.
    Last modified: April 05, 2011 1:39 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • April 05, 2011 9:26 PM
    Reply # 565149 on 564930
    Anonymous
    Aaron, 

      If you come across the measurements of the mizzen staysail for the 43 Ketch I'd love to know.  I have an old Westsail flyer of Sweet Cheeks (named Jenelle then) with all sails in the wind, one of them being a mizzen staysail.
  • April 06, 2011 12:10 PM
    Reply # 565554 on 564930
    WESTSAIL 28

    • Thanks to Taylor Kash for these numbers!
     Sail Luff
    Leech
    Foot
    Area (Ft/2)
    Material Weight/Type
    Notes
    Designer
     Main


     31'  32'7"
     12'5"
     196
     7.75oz Dacron
     
     Staysail


     25'  21'3"
     10'9"  114
     7.25oz Dacron
       
     Yankee Jib


     33'2"  25'6"
     18'11"
     235
     6.5oz Dacron
       
     Genoa (135%)


     36'6"  34'6"
     24'
     398
     5.5oz Dacron
       
     Reacher


     36'6"  32' 25'5"
     397
     2.2oz Dacron
       
     Drifter


     36'6"  33'5" 26'
     425  1.5oz Nylon
       
     Spinnaker


     36'6"  36'6"
     25'2"  150%  1.5oz Nylon
       
     Genoa Staysail


     26'6"  23'2"
     14'4"  165  7.25oz Dacron
       
     Working Jib


     31'2"  23'11"  14'5"  148  7.25oz Dacron
       
     Storm Jib


     20'  13'7"  10'
     60  9.25oz Dacron
       
     Storm Trysail


     17'6"  23'6"
     11'3"  94
     9.25oz Dacron

     



    WESTSAIL 39


     Sail Luff
    Leech
    Foot
    Area (Ft/2)
    Material Weight/Type
    Notes
    Designer
     Main  ?  ? ?
     ? ?
     ? ?
     Staysail  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
     Yankee Jib
     ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
     Genoa  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
     Drifter  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
    ?
     ? ?
     ? ?
     ? ?
     ?



    WESTSAIL 42
     Sail Luff
    Leech
    Foot
    Area (Ft/2)
    Material Weight/Type
    Notes
    Designer
     Main  ?  ? ?
     ? ?
     ? ?
     Mizzen ?
    ?
    ?
    ?
    ?
    ?
    ?
     Staysail  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
     Yankee Jib
     ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
     Genoa  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
     Drifter  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
    ?
     ? ?
     ? ?
     ? ?
     ?



    WESTSAIL 43
     Sail Luff
    Leech
    Foot
    Area (Ft/2)
    Material Weight/Type
    Notes
    Designer
     Main  ?  ? ?
     ? ?
     ? ?
     Staysail  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
     Yankee Jib
     ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
     Genoa  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
     Drifter  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
    ?
     ? ?
     ? ?
     ? ?
     ?

  • April 07, 2011 8:15 AM
    Reply # 566154 on 564930
    Deleted user
    Aaron, 

    This is what I measured for the sails that came with my W32.  

    Brian 

  • April 07, 2011 11:46 AM
    Reply # 566268 on 564930
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Aaron:

    I'll measure a 2007 Kern main sail next week - great idea by the way.

    7/14/2013  this is a slow answer for sure...

    Kern's main for a W32 on the SF bay area is a 2 full batton , 2 reef point (all I asked for) with the following measurements.

    Luff 38' 4"
    Leech 39' 2"  (this is the straight line measurement from head to clew)
    Foot 14' 6" 

    His furled head sail is 300 SF  for the higher winds or the Super Yankee with 350 SF.

    In my notes from a Rondy talk - Kern said that the new main sails have a 2-3.5% camber verses the 6% camber of original main sails.

    The staysail by Lee Sails to match the existing is 27.5' Luff, Leech 25' and foot 10.5'  or 131 SF of 8.3Oz cloth.

    Jay
    Last modified: April 07, 2011 11:46 AM | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • April 07, 2011 7:28 PM
    Reply # 566540 on 566154
    Brian Grandjean wrote:
    Aaron, 

    This is what I measured for the sails that came with my W32.  

    Brian



    Brian,

    Are any of the sails you listed Kern's? Especially the Super Yankee.

    Jay,

    Thanks! You have a short-footed, full batten main, right?

    Cheers,
    ~A

    Aaron yes it's shorter and love those full battens....

    Jay

    Last modified: April 07, 2011 7:28 PM | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • April 09, 2011 11:28 AM
    Reply # 567335 on 564930
    Deleted user
    Aaron:

    Do you know the dimensions of the 177 sq. ft. working jib that King wrote about?

    Thank you.

    s/John
    Last modified: April 09, 2011 11:28 AM | Anonymous member
  • April 10, 2011 8:05 AM
    Reply # 567748 on 567335
    Linda and John Mendoza wrote:Aaron:

    Do you know the dimensions of the 177 sq. ft. working jib that King wrote about?

    Thank you.

    s/John

    The dimensions are on the sailplan in my Westsail Service Manual, Page A-24.
  • April 10, 2011 9:26 AM
    Reply # 567773 on 564930
    Anonymous
     Sail Luff  Leech  Foot  Area (Sq Ft)  Weight 
     W42/43 Cutter          
       Main  43.5  46.5  16.5  360  9.25
       Staysail  32.83  27.91  12.75  176  8.25
       Yankee  50  37.75  23.75  425  7.25
       140% Genoa  50  46.91  32.5  735  6.5
       Reacher  50  44.25  34.17  735  3.8
       Drifter  50  46  35.75  788  2.2
       Working Jib  47.5  34  20  275  8.25
       Genoa Staysail  32.83  27.91  17.33  254  7.25
       Storm Jib  21.75  15.42  13.5  100  9.25
       Storm Trisail        120  9.25
       Spinnaker  SL 51.5  SMW 37.8      1.5
       LeFiell Mast and Boom          
    Data taken from Westsail Owners Manual  











  • April 10, 2011 9:40 AM
    Reply # 567777 on 564930
    Anonymous
    W42/43 Tall Rig Cutter 

    Luff  Leech  Foot  Area
    Sq Ft
     Weight
    Oz.
     Main  49  50.3  16.5  404  9.25
     Staysail  36.5  31.5  12.75  206  8.25
     Yankee  57.5  47.5  25.5  603  7.25
     Genoa  57.5  53.75  31.5  845  6.5
     Reacher  57.5  49.75  31.6  845  3.8
     Drifter  57.5  52  35.33  906  2.2
     Genoa Staysail  37.5  35.33  20.25  356  7.25
     Working Jib  45.0  33.5  20.25  292  8.25
     Storm Jib  21.75  15.42  13.5  120  9.25
     Storm Trisail        100  9.25
     Spinnaker  SL 55.9  SMW 37.8      1.5*
     Super Spar Mast and Boom          
     Data taken from
    Westsail Owners Manual

             
     *Not provided in Owners Manual          
    Last modified: April 10, 2011 9:40 AM | Anonymous
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