Barber hauling

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  • January 18, 2013 11:00 AM
    Reply # 1183118 on 1152290


    I have a traveler on my staysail sheet block-if you do as well, I guess it is not enough to do the kind of adjustment to the sheet that you are talking about? Also, does anyone use their running backstays when using the staysail on the wind? I always assumed they were for going downwind, but I read somewhere recently that they are intended to counter pumping the mast by the forestay.


  • January 30, 2013 6:44 PM
    Reply # 1194033 on 1152290
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    I do use the running backstay going up or down - most of the time.  Here is another subject I would love to hear Dave King's thoughts.
  • January 31, 2013 5:59 AM
    Reply # 1194426 on 1152290
    upwind when you want to tighten the luff and keep the mast from pumping in a seaway on any point of sail.  

    It helps stabilize the mast.

  • January 31, 2013 8:35 AM
    Reply # 1194581 on 1152290


    I use my running backs anytime I am in the ocean,as I am on my way somewhere. Whether up wind or down.  Here in Portland, which is on a river, I do not use them and, in fact, they are physically removed from the boat.

    When going to weather, if you sight up the mast, without the running backs, you can easily see the mast "pumping".  The running back will easily stop this movement.  In doing so, it slightly pulls the inner stay back and tighter.  At the same time, this adjustment forces the mast head upward (for sure very slightly) which also tightens the headstay.

    Going downwind, the running back is one more stay to hold things up and just seems like a good idea. 

    Concerning the barber-hauling of the staysail:  My staysail is on a boom and controlled by a single sheet with a track and movable car.  I normally have the car "stopped" about one foot off center.  When reaching, I can run the car out as far as the cabin edge.  If using the staysail on a broader reach or run then I will vang the boom down to the forward hawse-pipe.  Nothing fancy here.

    Good Luck,       Dave

  • February 22, 2013 3:05 PM
    Reply # 1224355 on 1152290
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    Dave, thanks for that info.  
  • December 29, 2018 9:39 PM
    Reply # 6976615 on 1152290
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    I noticed that this thread is slightly old but it reminded me of a question I have.  The boomless staysail on Quimera has a block attached to the clew so the sheet is continuous.  I assumed that this is normal but sail trim is odd.  It does make the sail self-tending.  It just doesn't allow for much trimming.  The sheets are led through blocks on a car track but I seem to run the car almost all the way back most of the time and the sail still is not very flat.  Thoughts?

  • December 30, 2018 9:28 AM
    Reply # 6976936 on 1152290

    Hey Mitch , If it were me I would put the club boom back on . If you don't have it make one out of Doug Fir . IMO , Mark .

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  • December 30, 2018 4:00 PM
    Reply # 6977295 on 1152290

    Hello Mitch,

    What you are describing with the Staysail sheeting does not sound good to me.  That is not normal.  If you are using a boomless Staysail, as many Westsailors are, then it would be much more efficient to use 2 sheets, each tied to the clew.  A Cow Hitch will also work and is what I use on my headsails on Saraband.  This Hitch is Physically smaller than 2 Bowlines and less likely to get hung up on something.  You may also be able to use your existing sheet.

    Good luck, Let us know if the change corrects the sheeting problem.


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