Through deck carriage bolts

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  • May 08, 2013 2:08 PM
    Message # 1288699
    Anonymous
    Bud (or others with knowledge of this), 

    On our boat we have a number of carriage bolts that go through the deck beams at the main bulkhead and the forward bulkhead and then pass through the deck.  The head of the bolts have dished down the deck and started to corrode.  This probably means the deck is rotten around them too.  Bummer. 

    But my question is this... Why are these bolts there and are they "stock" equipment?  I haven't looked on other W32s for these bolts yet.  I suspect that the previous owners bolted the beams to the deck to keep the beams/deck from separating but I have read in your manual that you can achieve the same thing by bolting the beam directly to the bulk heads instead of through the deck. 

    Can anyone give me some insight?  Are these bolts normal and if they are, what is the purpose? 
  • May 08, 2013 2:44 PM
    Reply # 1288725 on 1288699
    Deleted user
    Tate, Yes, the bolts are factory installed but they don't hold up well after the boat has seen alot of use and the main deckbeam begins to sag. Bud's solution in his service manual of bolting through the bulkhead helps maintain the curve of the deckbeam and discourages dishing of the deck.

    I hope I helped some while awaiting Bud's response.

    Carl


  • May 08, 2013 3:07 PM
    Reply # 1288737 on 1288725
    Anonymous
    Carl Schaefer wrote:Tate, Yes, the bolts are factory installed but they don't hold up well after the boat has seen alot of use and the main deckbeam begins to sag. Bud's solution in his service manual of bolting through the bulkhead helps maintain the curve of the deckbeam and discourages dishing of the deck.

    I hope I helped some while awaiting Bud's response.

    Carl



    Thanks Carl, 

    So is that to say you should have both the through deck bolts AND the through bulkhead bolts? 
  • May 08, 2013 5:25 PM
    Reply # 1288846 on 1288699
    Deleted user
    Yes I believe so but wait for more advice.
    I have to redo my bolts both vertical and horizontal and replace my main deckbeam and the port side main bulkhead. I'm a bit intimidated. Tabbing bulkheads and all that.

    Earlier this afternoon I took some pictures of my carriage bolts popping through my cabin top to email you but it was too sunny and they didn't turn out.
    Carl
  • May 08, 2013 6:54 PM
    Reply # 1288890 on 1288699
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Carl:  I have the thru deck carriage bolts - and have to keep them sealed but don't show signs of sinking into the deck. 

    Here is what I finally settled on to support the mast beam - I added 5 of Bud's bronze machine screws through the beam to hold it together then added a steel c section in black to spread the load across the beam.  The job is much easier w/o the mast in place - easier to reposition the main beam etc. The beam is multiple pieces of ash? and teak - frankly this are should have been made and supported better. IMHO.

    Of course there are more things to do - check Bud's manual for the whole fix -- more images here.  

    Hope this helps.

    Jay

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  • May 08, 2013 8:23 PM
    Reply # 1288953 on 1288699
    Deleted user
    Nice work Jay,
    How do you fitt the stainless in there?
  • May 09, 2013 7:09 AM
    Reply # 1289239 on 1288699
    Deleted user
    I am in process of a cabin rebuild which includes compression post and new cabin top beams.  I am happy to relay my experiences to any interested parties.  It wasn't all fun and games so perhaps I learned a few things although all boats are not the same some of the princiiples may still apply.
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  • May 09, 2013 10:15 AM
    Reply # 1289382 on 1288699
    No need for me to make a lengthy discourse on the subject, since you guys have all come up with the answers, and they are all correct..
  • May 09, 2013 4:37 PM
    Reply # 1289721 on 1289239
    Deleted user
    Edward Herold wrote:I am in process of a cabin rebuild which includes compression post and new cabin top beams.  I am happy to relay my experiences to any interested parties.  It wasn't all fun and games so perhaps I learned a few things although all boats are not the same some of the princiiples may still apply.
    Edward,
    Were you able to take pictures?
  • May 09, 2013 6:50 PM
    Reply # 1289804 on 1288699
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Carl:  Well, it's regular steel not SS$$  - I think it will last quite a while as the area is dry and it has a resonable paint job - that needs a touch up.

    Installation involved - loosing the stays to unload the weight and removing the 5 bronze bolts so the bulkhead was no longer bolted to the beam then using a floor jack with lots of support on the cabin sole - jacking up the beam into it's "normal" location.  If you sight along the beams in the cabin - they should be on the same plain. 

    I then had to pound it into place.

    Like mentioned - much easier if the mast is off the boat....

    Here is the sketch of the mast brace - it was CNC'd out of a solid chunk of steel.  Not all the corners were rounded off.

     

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