Leaking in bilge from ballast?

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  • February 13, 2014 9:46 PM
    Message # 1497815

    We have a small leak (weeping) in the bilge that I think is coming  up from the ballast.   It is in both corners of the step in the bilge that is just aft of the mast support block.   It isn't a lot of water but we can't get it to stop.  We have run a heater on it for a week.  Can we Z-spar it then epoxy over the top?  Is it bad to seal that water in? My other thought was to open it a bit more and see if I can get it to drain.  It looks like someone used 5200 on it in the past.  A dive on the hull showed nothing that would indicate a hull leak.  All this just to paint the bilge.



  • February 14, 2014 4:30 AM
    Reply # 1497943 on 1497815
    Deleted user
    I had a similar problem. I took a paper towel and put as much as I could into the hole creating a wick. Then I placed a high cfm bilge fan right next to the paper towel and ran it for three months in the summer. It took a long time to remove the water but eventually it worked. I would not glass over it because if the water freezes then you could crack the bilge or do damage to the hull as water expands when frozen.
  • February 14, 2014 7:49 PM
    Reply # 1498552 on 1497815

    I'm going to try staring at it for awhile tomorrow and might close the leak long enough to paint in that area.  Then in a week after a couple coats of paint I'll grind it off and try to get a wick in there.  

  • February 15, 2014 2:22 AM
    Reply # 1498606 on 1497815
    i don't know what goes on with the bilge in a W32,  but my W28 had a big problem with water around the ballast.

    i suggest you have a look at my 2012 jun 2 post in the W28 forum titled "water in the keel"  its a bit ling winded, but i think i covered most of it. the boat is still drying out.
     
    james
     
    James Thanks for pointing out your information - I've linked in your messge - and copied to the Westsail members FAQ area.  Jay
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  • February 15, 2014 6:39 AM
    Reply # 1498675 on 1497815
    Anonymous
    Very good troubleshooting, James:  all of the above should read your write-up in the 28 thread.
  • February 16, 2014 9:00 AM
    Reply # 1499149 on 1497815
    Amazing troubleshooting James.  I will look a lot closer at the bilge and maybe push a little air of my own into it to see if I have other areas with issues.  And to think, all we were originally doing was pulling the water tanks to inspect them.  I have yet to find a project on the Tyee that didn't involve or lead to several other unforeseen projects.  Well as they say it's the journey not the destination.  
  • February 18, 2014 3:54 AM
    Reply # 1500351 on 1497815
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    I don't believe there'd be a freezing problem if the vessel was in the water, but what about a concern for expansion from the corrosion if there WAS steel in the ballast?  Granted there would not be any oxygen in the space to promote corrosion, but would putting air in to check for leaks actually increase / promote new corrosion?  Maybe hp bottled nitrogen might be a better way to tap into the space and pressurize it to snoop for leaks?  The moleclues are much smaller and can seep out more easily, and its certainly cheap enough from a welding gas supplier.  You'd have to carefully keep the space venitlated below decks as a leak would displace breathable air.  Your opinion? 
  • February 19, 2014 8:54 PM
    Reply # 1501909 on 1497815
      I spent some more time looking at the situation and decided to drill some exploratory holes into the ballast area. I drilled four holes in the side of the step aft of the mast support block. The first hole was at the level of the leak, that produced a small spurt then back to a slow dribble. The next was half way down which spurted about a cup or so of water. I tasted this and it was salty. Resisting the urge to run for my drysuit I drilled another at the base of the step. This gave me roughly a quart or more and some lead pellets until it slowed to a dribble again. A little air produced just a little more water. It is now just a very slow dribble and from the base of the step instead of higher up. The other holes are dry. We put a paper towel in the lower hole and a heater nearby. The heater seems to be able to dry the paper towel as fast as it gets damp. We are going to seal the holes and paint then reopen the lower one and put the paper towel back. We are going to dive the hull again as well to check it. I think the saltwater is from a previous leak that filled the bilge and was fixed. At least I am hoping.
  • February 25, 2014 4:38 PM
    Reply # 1505870 on 1497815
    Quite often small hairline cracks or delamination of the bonding between the top of the ballast and the hull sides will let bilge water seep into air spaces in the ballast, especially along the top surface of the ballast.  The top of the ballast was usually very rough, and polyester putty was spread over the ballast to create a fairly smooth surface to bond over.  Later on Westsail got to putting a piece of plywood on top of the ballast, then bonding over the plywood.  Makes a smoother bilge surface, however if water does get in, the plywood rots.  I don't think that was a good idea, but I was not there when this change was done.

    I highly doubt any water is getting in through the hull though.
  • February 27, 2014 12:14 PM
    Reply # 1507319 on 1497815
    Deleted user

    I had a similar problem a few years back with my Westsail 43. We had removed the galley pulled the deck and both center line water tanks and the center line fuel tank. After chipping away and cleaning 40 years of worth of sludge and crud the bilges were bone dry and sparkly clean.

    You can imagine how we started freaking out  when we started seeing water seeping up from right over the keel. I dove the hull over and over looking for were the water could be coming in from. Had heat lamps in there for almost two weeks trying to stop the slow leak.

    I finally called Bud, and he explained about the plywood that was glassed in the bilges over the keel. Drilled and pulled a few plugs out using a whole saw and discovered that the plywood was soaked through and rotted. I was able to grind away all the glass around the plywood, pull it up in one piece, reclean and dry the bilges, and NO MORE LEAKS.

    I reglassed a new piece of ply wood down and went back to the original projects.

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