Lightning mitigation

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  • August 16, 2011 3:02 PM
    Message # 677759

    Bud,

    What's the latest word on safeguarding against lightning and whose hardware do you recommend. The mast is down so now is the time.

    scott

  • October 25, 2011 9:39 AM
    Reply # 732849 on 677759

    Bud,

    Found this link which has some credible science behind it.

    http://www.marinelightning.com/

    As a minimum I am considering installing one or two of their H-strips below the waterline with a connection to the chainplate. Also, I would most likely add an air terminal at the masthead. Currently I have a single Dynaplate which is connected internally to the upper chainplate.

    Any chance these guys might waive their consulatation fee($125 / hr) if you requested two or three options for the fleet.

    scott

  • October 26, 2011 5:29 AM
    Reply # 733543 on 677759
    Whatever you do, make sure that the lightning ground wires you lead through the cabin are enclosed in plastic wire conduit.  Otherwise they could spray molten copper in all directions.

    Beyond that, you can get all kinds of professional advice.  The truth is that lightning effects are highly unpredictable.  Ten strikes under identical circumstances with identical equipment, can lead to ten results.  That's why valid advice based on real life experiences can be so varied and frustrating.

    One of the most fun things I ever did was working in a company that tested devices for lightning.  We shot rockets up into thunderclouds trailing a wire behind them from a spool.The base of the wire was attached to the device under test.  WHOOSH-KAPOW.  Man oh man what a rush.  Anyhow, the point was that each protection scheme had to be tested with a dozen or more strikes to have confidence that it really works in every case.

    In 2004, lightning hit the boat moored next to me.  I think, s side streamer crossed to my boat.  The grounding conducted it to the dynaplate.  However, the EMP (electromagnetic pulse) fried my SSB, wind, and radar anyhow.  Actually, the EMP from the hit next door could have fried my stuff, even without the streamer.  My boat's grounding was irrelevant to the outcome.

  • October 26, 2011 8:48 AM
    Reply # 733704 on 677759
    Has a dynaplate ever been blown out the bottom of a boat due to lightening strike? My boat originally had a large welding cable from each upper chainplate taken down to a dynaplate. I removed the cable and plate as I thought it was a potential sinker. The chainplates on each side were also bonded together with copper strapping
  • October 28, 2011 5:05 AM
    Reply # 735959 on 677759
    Gary,

    I'm sure dyanplates have been blown off.  That's what I meant with unpredictability.  Any and every outcome you can possibly imagine has probably happened in real life.

    A few years back, a sailboat with mast and rigging down was sitting in a lock on the Erie Canal.  It was struck thee times in two seconds.  The strikes blew three holes in the cabin top and three holes in the hull.  It sank in seconds.  The people inside were uninjured but they barely managed to scramble out before it sank.


    The diverse outcomes of lightning defy logic and common sense.
  • October 28, 2011 5:26 AM
    Reply # 735979 on 677759
    Here on the Rio Dulce we get some pretty impressive thunderstorms/lightning at times.  I mean spectacular 'light shows' and massive thunder echoing off the hills.

    I've seen more boats hit by lightning here than I care to.  One catamaran was hit about 50yds from me (scared the bejezus outta me).  It had all kinds of 'protection', from those fuzzy things at the masthead to lengths of chain strapped to mast running overboard to the water.  Didn't help one iota.  I think whether you get hit by lightning or not is truly a random act of God.

    One thing I've noticed over the years is when lightning strikes relatively close the 'inductive current' seems to travel over shore power wiring and fries the high dollar inverters. 

    The strike I mentioned above took out 4-5 inverters in boats all around me.  I've seen it happen time and again. Now, when a T'storm passes through I disconnect my shore power.
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  • November 02, 2011 5:52 PM
    Reply # 740620 on 733704
    Gary Burton wrote:Has a dynaplate ever been blown out the bottom of a boat due to lightening strike? My boat originally had a large welding cable from each upper chainplate taken down to a dynaplate. I removed the cable and plate as I thought it was a potential sinker. The chainplates on each side were also bonded together with copper strapping


    I did talk with one owner that had the dynaplate that Westsail installed with the 1/4" bolts in it.  He was struck by lightning, and then the automatic bilge pump came on.  Upon lifting the floorboards he saw two 1/4" streams of water coming in where the 1/4" bolts had completely melted.  He stuck a pair pf pencils in the holes as a temporary fix.

    I have a discussion on lightning protection in my Westsail Service Manual.

    Bud

  • November 04, 2011 6:49 AM
    Reply # 742092 on 677759
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    This article doesn't address how to properly ground a sailboat, but has some really interesting reading about lightning and the protection that a mitigation system provides.  



  • November 05, 2011 4:51 AM
    Reply # 742823 on 677759
    Bud,

    A similar thing happened on the Catamaran I referred to above.  Their lightning strike blew wood screws completely out of some teak 'nonskid' steps.  The theory being, the wood was moist around the screws and the lightning instantly vaporized the moisture blowing the screws right out of the wood.

    I've seen three catamarans hit by lightning and in all three cases the hulls were 'peppered'  (outboard only) with 1/4" - 1/2" holes about 1" above the waterline from stem to stern.


  • November 05, 2011 9:37 AM
    Reply # 742926 on 677759

    Brian,

    That is a great article written by the president of the company mentioned above:

    http://www.marinelightning.com/

    The science is compelling enough to warrant some level of implementation. I plan to place an order within the week.

    scott

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