The weight of a stripped WS42.

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  • March 30, 2011 7:13 AM
    Message # 557630
    Anonymous

    Hi Bud.

    I am about to hoist my WS 42 up on dry land, and I have to order a crane big enough for this job.

    I live in the middle of nowhere in south of Thailand, and big 25 ton cranes are hours by car away from where I live.

    I can however get a 12 ton crane only one hour away, and the cost is less than 1/3 of a 25 ton.

    Because of this, I want to find out the correct weight of my boat.

     

    As I have told you before, termites have eaten all the wood in my boat, include the lower part of the mast. I have now stripped the boat totally inside and outside, and there is only the hull and deck left. No mast or rigging, no wires, no motor, no tanks, nothing but hull and deck.

    All the plywood in the deck is also attacked, but I will not do anything to that now. Later I will cut out the inner laminate and replace the plywood, but I will let the termites eat as most as possible before I start that job. I assume that will make it easier for me to separate the inner and outer laminate.

    The plywood in the deck is probably soaking wet, since I have removed all the crews and bolts. Termites come out of every hole that is made in the plywood, so my guess is that most of it is already converted to a consistency like wet crispy bread.

    The best way I can find out the exactly weight of the boat, is to find out the volume of the water she ousts. If there is a line drawing of the hull available, I can calculate the weight very correct by means of a computer.

    A line drawing of the hull will also make it easier for me to design the interior layout before I start building her up again.

    Is there a line drawing of the hull available?

    If not, do you know the weight?

     

    I also would like to know the weight centre of the boat to keep her horizontal when I lift her. That is much harder to calculate from the line drawings.

    Do you know the weight centre?

     

    In the construction manual under “Standard Equipment List”, I read about “Six bronze-framed fixed windows”.

    Are they still available, and what is the cost of these? Mine are made of wood and totally damaged.

    Ole.

  • March 31, 2011 9:26 AM
    Reply # 558560 on 557630
    Deleted user

    Ole,

    Having done this, I thought I would chime in. But I always defer to Bud ;-).

    Design displacement of the W42 is 32,000 lbs. A 12 ton crane would be too small.

    I have scans of the original line drawings up here

    https://picasaweb.google.com/westsail42ketch/BuildingAWestsail42DesignAndDrawings#

    If you want higher resolution scans, I can email you some.

    I also have CAD files (autocad DWG or DXF) I put together based on the original scans I can send if you are interested.

    Let me know.

     

    -rob

     

     

  • April 01, 2011 6:10 AM
    Reply # 559197 on 557630
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Robert:  Those are great images of the W42 -- I'd like to make a copy on the WOA Picasa site as a historical record and then link from the W42 page. 

    What do you think?

    Jay

  • April 01, 2011 11:32 AM
    Reply # 559453 on 557630
    Deleted user
    Ole:

    You may also want to think about the reach of the crane, as the cranes capacity is pretty much just less than meter infront of it. The further out you go the less and less it can safely lift. 12 ton may only be 8 ton @ 2.5 meters from the crane

    A question Why are you not going with something like airex core for the non bolted sections of the deck. 

    Best of luck
    Norm 


       
  • April 01, 2011 11:38 AM
    Reply # 559458 on 557630

    The designed displacement is 32,000 lbs.  I have seen the actual weight go up to 38,000 lbs. or more.  I would not recommend trying to use a crane rated for anything less than 32,000 lbs., despite there no being the mast, boom, and rigging aboard.  Too risky.

    I have some pictures of a crane toppling over on top of a boat if you want to see them.  

  • April 01, 2011 1:38 PM
    Reply # 559533 on 558560
    Anonymous
    Robert Sutton wrote:

    Ole,

    Having done this, I thought I would chime in. But I always defer to Bud ;-).

    Design displacement of the W42 is 32,000 lbs. A 12 ton crane would be too small.

    I have scans of the original line drawings up here

    https://picasaweb.google.com/westsail42ketch/BuildingAWestsail42DesignAndDrawings#

    If you want higher resolution scans, I can email you some.

    I also have CAD files (autocad DWG or DXF) I put together based on the original scans I can send if you are interested.

    Let me know.

     

    -rob

    Robert.

    I will be very happy if you send me these original line drawings named FILE0001 to 6, in high resolution. The CAD file of the hull will also be appreciated. The DWG  suffix will be fine, since this can be imported to “Rhino”, the software that will do the calculation of the water the boat oats.

    A fully equipped boat weights 32,000 lbs (14,5 ton), but mine is stripped down to a bare hull, and is much lighter. A rough calculation of the water she outs today says he weights 10 ton, but I want it more correct before I contact the crane guys.

    Ole.

  • April 01, 2011 2:06 PM
    Reply # 559549 on 557630
    Anonymous

    To Norm and Bud.

    Thank you for advices. There is not much "arm" needed, but I still think I go for a 25ton crane. Better safe than sorry. I don’t need any photos Bud, I am scared enough already. J

    Ole

  • April 02, 2011 5:53 AM
    Reply # 560714 on 559197
    Deleted user
    Jay Bietz wrote:

    Robert:  Those are great images of the W42 -- I'd like to make a copy on the WOA Picasa site as a historical record and then link from the W42 page. 

    What do you think?

    Jay

    Jay,

    Sure, have at it. Let me know what I need to do to help.

    -rob
  • April 02, 2011 6:08 AM
    Reply # 560718 on 559533
    Deleted user
    Ole Magnus Andersen wrote:
    Robert Sutton wrote:

    Ole,

    Having done this, I thought I would chime in. But I always defer to Bud ;-).

    Design displacement of the W42 is 32,000 lbs. A 12 ton crane would be too small.

    I have scans of the original line drawings up here

    https://picasaweb.google.com/westsail42ketch/BuildingAWestsail42DesignAndDrawings#

    If you want higher resolution scans, I can email you some.

    I also have CAD files (autocad DWG or DXF) I put together based on the original scans I can send if you are interested.

    Let me know.

     

    -rob

    Robert.

    I will be very happy if you send me these original line drawings named FILE0001 to 6, in high resolution. The CAD file of the hull will also be appreciated. The DWG  suffix will be fine, since this can be imported to “Rhino”, the software that will do the calculation of the water the boat oats.

    A fully equipped boat weights 32,000 lbs (14,5 ton), but mine is stripped down to a bare hull, and is much lighter. A rough calculation of the water she outs today says he weights 10 ton, but I want it more correct before I contact the crane guys.

    Ole.

    Ole,

    I also have a Rhino model where I approximated the hull shape (sans keel) and deck (as best as I could). I used this for interior planning, layout and "space testing". I can include that if you wish.

    More info on the weight:
    • Factory installed ballast is about 11,000 lbs.
    • If you have the steel shot ballast (as opposed to the solid lead ballast), there is a very good chance there is water in there. About 84 gallons. The presence of this may depend on the hull number. Around #60 (mine) and later, the ballast/bilge construction used allowed water to seep into the keel. Since you have everything ripped out, drilling a small hole outside in the side of the keel and inside on the top of the keel/bilge will tell you. Bud can add more to this I am sure.
    • I will see if I can find the weight off of the crane service receipt from when we lifted ours a few years ago. It was pretty much empty. IIRC the crane was much more than a 12 ton, but they had to lift it at an odd reach.
    I will send off those scans.

    -rob

  • April 03, 2011 10:44 AM
    Reply # 562288 on 559453
    Anonymous
    Norm Rhines wrote:
    A question Why are you not going with something like airex core for the non bolted sections of the deck. 

    Best of luck
    Norm 

    I will replace the plywood with 30mm Divinycell.

    I built a 50 foot ketch in sandwich in the early seventies, and I have had 30 sqmtr left from that project all these years. I brought everything with me from Norway when I moved to Thailand some years ago. I thought I could get use for that one day.

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