Staysail winch - help me decide

  • February 15, 2015 9:12 PM
    Message # 3226782

    Getting to the point where I should finally drop coin on the new staysail hardware. Tracks, cheek blocks, jammers, lead cars, and sheets have been figured out. The winches are a little more challenging. I'm leaning towards 7/16" lines and so was thinking about either a 16 or 20 winch. I found two that I like but I can't decide which ones I like. Harkens are $200 more for the pair than the Lewmars. 

    http://www.mauriprosailing.com/us/1-Harken-Radial-Self-Tailing-Winches-White/HAR20STCW.html

    http://www.mauriprosailing.com/us/1-Lewmar-Ocean-ST-Winches-Bronze/LEW49016019.html

    Pros and cons? What does your yacht have rigged (those who tossed the club).

  • February 16, 2015 12:36 AM
    Reply # 3226803 on 3226782

    You should check out the Andersens.  very competitive and a nice winch. 

  • February 16, 2015 5:46 AM
    Reply # 3226893 on 3226782

    Maybe it's just me but in my experience I've found there really isn't enough force to require a staysail sheet winch.  I find it can be handled quite easily without one.  I just have a couple cleats on top of the cabin next to the companionway to sheet the staysail off

    Last modified: February 16, 2015 5:47 AM | Anonymous member
  • February 16, 2015 8:12 AM
    Reply # 3227004 on 3226782
    Deleted user

    Mike that was what I was thinking, in fact I have yet to use a winch except for the Jib and raising a halyard. Will I need them in a storm for the staysail? 

    I recently installed new tracks, cars, and running line from Bud and his prices cant be beat but a winch I did not install. 

    Last modified: February 16, 2015 8:38 AM | Deleted user
  • February 16, 2015 8:30 AM
    Reply # 3227028 on 3226782

    She's been rigged with running backstays for running under staysail at force 6-7 and storm jib above. I doubt I could handle the lines in those winds without mechanical advantage, nor would I want to risk it. The Andersons looked good but I've heard some negative reviews about their internals. 

    Last modified: February 16, 2015 8:37 AM | Anonymous member
  • September 06, 2017 9:17 PM
    Reply # 5066775 on 3226782

    When I set up the tracks with Bud's help. I found some used 20# for cheap at Mimi's a used boat supply chandlery. I don't normally need them but they are nice to have and were very inexpensive. They at not self tailing but none of mine are. Probably why I got them for a good price

    Greg

  • September 07, 2017 4:44 AM
    Reply # 5067155 on 3227004
    Anonymous wrote:

    Will I need them in a storm for the staysail? 

    No, because in a storm you would not be using a staysail. I wouldn't, anyway
    Last modified: September 07, 2017 4:44 AM | Anonymous member
  • September 07, 2017 8:44 AM
    Reply # 5068506 on 3226782

    In regards to the stay sail during extreme storm conditions. 

    in wind of 50+ knots (on deck)  and 25+ foot (above the spreaders) breaking waves, we found the stay sail as the only good choice for sail, running off at 150-160 ish. it worked well for the following reasons.

    It was very small (and you can sheet it in some if you have a winch and good timing this is with 3 to 1 on boom but with just a sheet ? as the wind can load a line until you can not move it, without relieving some load = direction change)

    it was forward which allowed course holding with a little less effort. (wind vane mostly could keep course+/-) we only had to hand steer above 55 and when it was breaking allot.

    it was flattened with the stay sail boom, which kept the sail under control, even with great wind speed changes; trough (10-20Kt) to crest (50 to 65+kt) wind changes. ( the sail movement was improved when we added a preventer to the stay sail boom)

    it is triangulated with the running back stays at the top = good for mast loading

    it seam to provide some lift to the bow (kept the platform mostly out of the water) we only had boarding waves from the breakers or when a odd wave hit from abeam. (never pooped)

    it maintained 2 to 8kt speeds which allowed good steerage

    above this, water speed, we would have needed some wraps trailing, as above 8kt hull speed steering can become an issue.

    NOTE; this was with unlimited sea room = no shore for 400+ miles. Also the wave trains from the wind were moving at 10 to 15kt +/-

    If you were off a lee shore this may not be your best choice on its own.

    Just another data point,

    a side note; during this type of storm your distance traveled through the water can be 2x of distance over ground (all the up and down adds many many miles to the trip)

    Best option though is to avoid this type weather if you can.

    Norm

    Last modified: September 07, 2017 9:00 AM | Anonymous member
  • September 22, 2017 8:55 AM
    Reply # 5275041 on 5067155
    Mike McCoy wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    Will I need them in a storm for the staysail? 

    No, because in a storm you would not be using a staysail. I wouldn't, anyway
    I used a staysail in gale force conditions. I'm not sure what defines a storm, but in winds 40-50 knots the staysail did very well keeping the boat on course. We used an outboard hauler to keep the sail from tacking when waves would spin the stern off course, which attempts to back the staysail.
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